Friday, May 23, 2008

Court Corrects FLDS Raid Travesty

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a2 One evening, back when I was a prosecutor, we were all having a few beers. An eager zealot in our office broke the mood, by asking one of the public defenders how he could defend child molesters. He told her that he slept very well at night, because every day he defended and gave life to the constitution.

corny The response was right off the top of an Iowa cornstalk—but it also happens to be true.

public defenders Without the courts and criminal defense lawyers, getting their clients off on “technicalities”, it would not be long before we were living in a police state.

And the courts have come through again. The Texas Court of Appeals has ruled it will issue a Writ of Mandamus ordering Child Protective Services to release the kids seized from the FLDS compound .

flds The first clue this was all very wrong was when the newscasts showed pictures of the kids being herded into “First Baptist” Buses—which is apparently an approved religion in Texas.

Then we found out that it all started when a pretend sixteen year old girl called a domestic violence hotline (which specializes in investigating the FLDS) and made up some details on how she was being abused by an old guy, who had not been in Texas for thirty years.

Looking at this most favorably to the police, they were duped.

Juno Regardless, the cops went out to the compound to investigate. They never found the pretend girl, but noticed some pregnant teenage girls—as if that is something quite unusual these days. They then applied for a search warrant with an affidavit based upon that observation, and filled it with a number of speculative conclusions that all the children were being abused.

Polygamist Retreat And so four hundred and forty children were removed from their mothers and placed in state custody. A two day hearing was held, after which Judge Barbara Walther concluded that all the children were in immediate danger, based upon perhaps as much as five minutes of testimony regarding each child.

As it turned out, only five underage teenagers were pregnant. There was no evidence the others were being abused in any way.

flds One girl actually turned out to be eighteen, but no one had, up until this week, cared what her birth certificate said.

The correct thing to do would have been to investigate the pregnancy of the underage teenagers, and prosecute those responsible—not place all the children in the wonderful care of the state, because some of them might, possibly, maybe, someday be in danger of being sexually molested.

flds The FLDS is creepy and sick—they abuse children and enslave women. But, what is even worse is a police state that can rip families apart because we do not like their religion or way of life. The only time that extreme measure is justified is when real proof is presented that the children are in imminent danger.

In a free society the issue can not be whether the children are not being raised in the best way, or even a poor way—but whether they are in such extreme danger that the state has no choice but to rip the family apart.

no spanking policeOtherwise, the government will come in if parents are feeding their kids too much sugar, smoking in their presence, homeschooling, spanking, letting them watch too much TV, exposing them to gay people , disapproved sex ed instruction, indoctrination in subversive political viewpoints, kooky religions---or whatever the stewards of the public good are concerned about at the time, or is the cause dejur.

The Writ is a victory for all American families--and the constitution.

flds But just the same, I would like to outlaw those overachieving pompadours, not to mention the prairie dresses that make the ladies look like living Easter Peeps.

a1Becky's Stuff

UPDATE: I see that Child Protective Services is appealing the decision of the Appeals Court to the Texas Supreme Court. This particular panel of the Appeals Court is one of the more conservative in Texas (two of its members having been appointed by Governor Perry) and I guess CPS and the prosecutors are hoping that the Texas Supreme Court will take a more activist approach to the extension of the power of the state.

The Appeal Court's decision is strong and well reasoned, and most legal commentators agree with it. However former Factor regular, and current CNN junior legal wag, Sonny Hostin begs to differ. She believes since the kids are members of a church that practices polygamy this is sufficient for the state to take the action they did--why even have any hearings at all?

I am quite un-libertarian, in believing that it would be nice if polygamy could be successfully outlawed--it is the patriarchy on steroids--enslaves women, and almost always devolves into incest and pedophilia. However, there are those who disagree with my observations, there are exceptions, and none of those results are official tenets of plural marriage theology.

In our modern society it is virtually impossible to prosecute polygamy. Are we also going to prosecute swingers and guys who cheat on their wives? Not only is it impractical--but unconstitutional--at least since the US Supremes correctly ruled that the State of Texas had no business creeping into bedrooms to ensure that no consensual homosexual actviites were taking place.

What Texas should do is vigorously prosecute those who have committed a crime. There should also be involvement with the mothers--and they should be told, in no uncertain terms, what the age of consent is in Texas and that "spiritual marriages" don't cut it--and the consequences if they participate in a violation of the laws regarding child abuse.

But there should not be a state sponsored gang rape of all the families.

This is the kind of thing the state will do with unpopular groups--whether they are right wing militias, communists, gays or polygamists. On virtually no evidence (some of which in this case was made up), other than conjecture, the most extreme measures are taken, and some real basic rights, liberties and freedoms piously ignored and trampled.

~Becky

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UPDATE: Today the Texas Supreme Court, in a ruling that should not be surprising to anyone who realizes that, despite it all, America is still a land of laws--and treasures and protects freedom and liberty--and the family unit, affirmed the Appellate Court ruling. The kids are going back to their family.

One of the sad things about this is the State of Texas and CPS actually caused more harm and weakened the very thing they were fighting and trying to eliminate. These sick people do need to have the state involved in their lives, watching, monitoring and advising to ensure that the statutory rape stops. Part of achieivng this is gaining the trust of the mothers and the children--this was hardly the way to go about it.

If the reports can be believed, there were five underage pregnant girls. Hopefully, those cases will be vigorously pursued, and the perpetrator(s), including the mothers if complicity can be shown, will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

~Becky

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12 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmm... I think enslavement of children REALLY crosses the line. It is so weird how "conservatives" really pick some strange issues to come to the aid of. Yet, they bury their head in the sand of Bush's qWagmire, Stem Cells, Solar power, budget deficits.....

In general, I find your posts a little strange. I agree with a lot of what you have to say. Example, a fetching lass like you wearing shorts - no problem there!! But defending the indefensible with these Texas wacos, I don't think so.

THE issue of the day is the qWagmire - which had NOTHING to do with WMD or with Al Quaeda - where do you stand there?? I suppose you will kneejerk support John W McBush. This qWagmire is BANCRUPTING AMERICA - the dollar is not workth shit anymore , gas is on its way to $7/gal - Thanks "Conservatives"!!

- yours,
"South Side of the Sky"

5:04 AM  
Anonymous Survival said...

^ this guy is crazy, what are you even saying? it doesn't make sense.
btw buddy i think you were trying to say "whackos" not wacos.

Anyhow, even though they were proven innocent a lot of the damage has already been done. This is a victory for civil rights but a small one at best. They were made an example of, act weird and we'll come GET you.

Not to mention the fact that those people have been in jail until they were proven innocent (uh jail sucks even for a day) and the kids were in foster care of some sort (notorious for sexual abuse of kids and forcing them to take Prozac, Aderall and the like).

Just the fact that it happened at all shows the state of our nation.

P.S.
How many other authors or people besides Carlyn Jessup have said what she said? Almost none, yet we take her word to be the absolute gospel. For all we know shes lying... I'm just saying you dont know what goes on there which is why you need PROOF.

7:59 AM  
Anonymous Legate Damar said...

Thank you for eloquently point out the obvious, Becky.

Just because 99% of us think that FLDS is icky on almost every level DOES NOT mean that people can just barge in under color of authority and start arresting/kidnapping everyone indiscriminantly.

I would like to see the mates (and possibly parents) of the underage mothers be brought to some sort of arraignment. But to punish everyone in the compound is beyond ridiculous.

How kindly would most Americans take it if their children were taken from them because the couple one street down and two streets over were doing something illegal? Not at all. Yet we just assume that "FLDS" is this monolithic society where all 2000+ members were somehow involved in the impregnation of 5 girls.

Boo, state of Texas.

At least the courts (finally) got something right.

8:27 AM  
Blogger Paul said...

I was amazed how long it took for this sort of ruling to come down. From the first news report I heard i figured that the cops had taken the 4th out back and shot it. Law enforcement should really take greater care in their use and execution of warrants, and warrantless searches. These folks are wackos, the rape and abuse are real, and real care should have been taken to make sure the police were acting correctly.
What a huge embarrassment. Wheather you are in a chuch compound, a Fraternity house, or an apartment complex, the 4th amendment doesn't change.

10:54 AM  
Blogger Becky C. said...

Anonymous, "for the sake of the children" is the most recent exception used to do violence to the constitution--whether it is stuff like this or prohibiting certain television porogramming, restricting video games, diluting the confrontation clause , etc.

I am a former prosecutor, who went into the business to lop the heads off child molesters and castrate the abusers of women.

But, I am also an American

~Becky

11:59 AM  
OpenID aproposofnothing said...

Becky,
Very well said. This thing has bothered me on many levels since it happened. Yes, forcing underage girls into marriage with dirty old men is wrong (and yucky), but that gives the authorities no right to just round up ALL of the children living there.
It would have been irresponsible of the cops not to investigate the claims (even though the original call turned out to be a hoax). But it is also irresponsible to arbitrarily take away people's kids. That would be like my neighbor being arrested for incest and my kids being taken away because I happened to BBQ and drink a few beers with him.
I just found the grounds on which the took the children away to be very very thin. I wonder if this would have happened if the FLDS compound was an Islamic compound likt the one in ISLAMBERG, NY? Just saying, but they practice polygamy as part of their religion also. I couldn't say if it happens here in the US, but it is common in Muslim countries. I'm sure it wouldn't have happened because of the sensitivity around that right now.

Sorry, too much rambling. I guess my point is: Go after the bad guys, but make sure your net is not spread too wide.

6:36 PM  
Blogger Crusty said...

It's about time they let up on these freaks. I hadn't seen this type of government oppression since the witch hunts (which I didn't actually see). What I do see first hand, as an ambulance driver in a big city, is that you could go into any government housing project in the U.S. and find the exact same conditions, as the conditions the FLDS allegedly lived in (incest, statutory rape, child abuse, spousal abuse, etc.). Why isn't the government going after entire gubment-funded housing projects?

--CrustyAmbulanceDriver

10:20 PM  
Anonymous M.J. Taylor, from Reason to Freedom said...

Hi Becky,

Loved your coverage, even if I think you're going a little too soft with the concept “the police were duped.” Mostly because, the FBI and Texas Rangers were also involved and they brought in a SWAT APC (Armored Personnel Carrier), which doesn't really fit with some local yocal being snowed by a trumped up search warrant...

On the “polygamy is bad” thing...

Why do you think it has to be just one way? Or even in a single direction? I would have thunk you'd be all for the concept of yourself having two wives (or three, or four...). Anti-polygamy laws are the same as all the other State intrusions in individual rights, they get passed because they trigger someone's hot button.

Best, and I linked to this,

MJ

5:24 PM  
Anonymous BlueEyedDevil said...

The following scripture sheds light on why the Texas CPS erroneously concluded that pregnant adult women were underaged minors:

Daniel 1:11-15

Then said Daniel to Melzar ... Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days; and let them give us pulse to eat, and water to drink. Then let our countenances be looked upon before thee, and the countenance of the children that eat of the portion of the king's meat: and as thou seest, deal with thy servants. So he consented to them in this matter, and proved them ten days. And at the end of ten days their countenances appeared fairer and fatter in flesh than all the children which did eat the portion of the king's meat.

In our modern context, the "kings" are Big Agra, Big Pharma, Big Medica, and Big Alimentaria, along with their champions and enablers, Big Politica, Big Academia, and Big Media.

The "meat" they try to foist on us includes all the pesticide-filled, irradiated, preservative soaked, and genetically modified junk (aka "food") that makes the typically overweight but undernourished American teen look much older - by contrast to the twenty-something young FLDS women who easily pass the CPS "underaged" eyeball test, due to a superior diet of natural home-grown food (their "pulse"), along with a host of other wholesome practices.

In retrospect I wish I had raised my eleven children in a YFZ type of community.

6:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This nation is descending into a new Dark Age. We are seeing the outworking of what will someday be known as the American Inquisition.

Just like the inquisitions of the dark ages past. We are being herded as target populations of the past. They were fearful of Witches, We are fearful of Muslems, Mormons, Christians, Polygamists, Fathers, Patriarchs, and on and on and on.

The only answer we see is to give up up all our human rights to the New Police State which is growing up as the media feeds us on paranoid terminology, such as criminal, terror, drugs, gangs, and "Reality TV". It is a contrived "Us and Them" mindset.

This country imprisons a larger percentage of the population than either Russia or China. What for? Victimless Crime.

Despots don't come for everybody at once. They marginalize small groups such as FLDS. When we fail to stand up for the rights of "Them". We forfeit our own rights. Then the despots come for "Us".

2:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am a former prosecutor, who went into the business to lop the heads off child molesters and castrate the abusers of women. But, I am also an American

Good. Then perhaps you would care to help us get the word out in this anti-American law.

It is the "Uniform Child Abduction Prevention Act".

More info here:
http://ladads.info/modules/newbb/viewforum.php?forum=19/

The Uniform law people managed to pass it in 7+ states without so much as a peep from ordinary Americans. The states are: Colorado, Nebraska, Kansas, Nevada, Texas, Connecticut, Utah.

It was introduced in Louisiana and we put up a bit more of a fight in the short time period we had to get organized against it. We got it modified to a 'International' abduction act - its original intent. As the rep Bowler said , "now it is just a xenophobic bill, not an anti-American bill".

It was introduced in both Michigan and South Carolina and was apparently defeated there. But the uniform law people will be back.

Don't know where they stand on getting it passed in the rest of the country.

It is extremely scary that such a bill could be promoted by these 'top' lawyers - and approved by the American Bar Association - without stopping to give a pause to how unconstitutional this law is.

Under this law, a person is a 'potential child abductor' if they commit any ONE of the following {sarc on}horrendous{sarc off} acts.

ORDINARY FAMILY ACTS:
Obtain their child's birth certificate.

Obtain their child's medical records.

Obtain their child's school records.


ORDINARY LIVING ACTS:
Sell a house.

Terminate a lease.

Close a bank account.

These were things every Louisianan in New Orleans and down south did in the wake of Katrina and Rita.


ORDINARY FAMILY ACTS:
Have 'strong family connections' to another state. i.e. Have a sister or brother who lives in another state.

Have 'strong cultural or emotional connections' to another state. Whatever the heck this vague statement means.


On these flimsy concepts, the courts on an EX-PARTE order, can order your children to be taken. and YES, THIS INCLUDES PRIMARY CUSTODIAL PARENTS.

They can even order a dynamic entry into your house in the wee hours of the morning if they deem you to be an 'exigent' risk of flight.

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